- Andrew Sullivan: I have never doubted the existence of God. Never. My acceptance of God’s existence--of a force beyond everything and the source of everything--goes so far back in my consciousness and memory that I can neither recall “finding” this faith nor being taught it. So when I am asked to justify this belief, as you reasonably do, I am at a loss. At this layer of faith, the first critical layer, the layer that includes all religious people and many who call themselves spiritual rather than religious, I can offer no justification as such. I have just never experienced the ordeal of consciousness without it. It is the air I have always breathed. I meet atheists and am as baffled at their lack of faith--at this level--as you are at my attachment to it. When people ask me how I came to choose this faith, I can only say it chose me. I have no ability to stop believing. Crises in my life--death of loved ones, diagnosis with a fatal illness, emotional loss--have never shaken this faith. In fact, they have all strengthened it. I know of no “proof” that could dissuade me of this, since no “proof” ever persuaded me of it.
- Sam Harris: You appear to see some strange, epistemological significance in the fact that you cannot remember when or how you acquired your faith. Surely the roots of many of your beliefs are similarly obscure. I don’t happen to remember when or how I came to believe that Pluto is a planet. Should I say that this belief “chose me”? What if, upon hearing that astronomers have changed their opinion about Pluto, I announced that “I have no ability to stop believing?. I know of no ‘proof’ that could dissuade me of [Pluto’s planethood], since no ‘proof’ ever persuaded me of it.”
[Image, poster style, left half is the Pope sitting on an ornate gold throne, the very image of wealth - right half is black children of African descent and indeterminate gender, both obviously extremely starved, the youngest child’s bones clearly visible. Text reads: “Go, sell everything you have… …and give it to the poor” (mark 10:21) I’m quite sure he could sell that golden throne at a very good price.]
this is just so so sad and breaks my heart. fucking Catholics have been raking in the cash and raising funds for supposed charitable causes since the dawn of time yet rarely do i ever see them actually taking those billions and applying them and using them as they say they will and using them to help these starving helpless people who so obviously need it… the only fucking thing i can see that they have done with the billions of dollars they take in is keep it all for themselves and buy ridiculously lavish and expensive things such as that ridiculous throne that fucking nazi in the picture is sitting his despicable ass on… who would have thought that people who take vows and are supposed to live a life of poverty would need such grand furnishings or expensive palaces. Catholicism is nothing more than a piece of shit racket and a convenient way for these pervert pedophile fucks to surround themselves with fresh children to fuck and control the masses and profit off the ignorance of misguided people stupid enough to buy into it. it’s fucking sick!!